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  • Fri, Dec 2 2005 10:33 PM

    • Jeff
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    Green vertical lines in transition

    This is annoying me. When I create a dissolve at a cut, it renders green vertical lines. When I fade from black, it does the same thing with black vertical lines.

    I've searched but this forum doesn't return anything useful. Any suggestions?
  • Fri, Dec 2 2005 11:22 PM In reply to

    • luezuve
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    Re: Green vertical lines in transition

    This is interesting. There have been quite a few forum topics on this just today (search for them if you're interested). Do you by any chance have an AMD?
    Currently on Xpress Pro HD 5.1.4 Avid Certified HP XW8000 nVidia Quadro4 980 XGL 2 gig RAM Dual Samsung 191Ts Sony PPVM-20M4U broadcast monitor... [view my complete system specs]
  • Fri, Dec 2 2005 11:28 PM In reply to

    • Baklap
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    Re: Green vertical lines in transition

    Do you by any chance have an AMD?


    You took the words right out of my mouth Smile [:)]

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  • Fri, Dec 2 2005 11:30 PM In reply to

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    Re: Green vertical lines in transition

    Yes I do. What did Avid break in this release? I honestly haven't used it on this machine since before v5.2.
  • Fri, Dec 2 2005 11:32 PM In reply to

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    Re: Green vertical lines in transition

    I'm just noticing that everybody who has these lines has an AMD. Coincidence? Maybe. Not sure. I know Avid won't support AMD so they could easily introduce bugs that are AMD specific.
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  • Fri, Dec 2 2005 11:35 PM In reply to

    • Baklap
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    Re: Green vertical lines in transition

    Dunno about the lines but there was somextensive posting on AMD combined with Pro 5.2 resulting in green renders.

    http://www.avid.com/exchange/forums/452/ShowPost.aspx

    Menno

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  • Fri, Dec 2 2005 11:55 PM In reply to

    • Jeff
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    Re: Green vertical lines in transition

    Yeah, it's an Athlon XP 2200+ with a 6800GT and a gig of RAM. nForce2 motherboard.

    As a software developer, I'm still staggered by Avid's inability to recognize that they're creating a product that is far more mass market than the older stuff, and they refuse to embrace the hardware that the market is using.
  • Sat, Dec 3 2005 12:33 AM In reply to

    Re: Green vertical lines in transition

     Jeff wrote:
    As a software developer, I'm still staggered by Avid's inability to recognize that they're creating a product that is far more mass market than the older stuff, and they refuse to embrace the hardware that the market is using.


    As a software developer I am stunned you do not appreciate that a piece of very complex software that allows, amongst other things, multiple streams of mixed resolutions on  a timeline would not be written and optimised for a particular range of Processors.  Maybe Avid do not want to be to be constantly subjected to the vagaries of the Processor manufacturers deliberate design differences, built in to avoid litigation.

    I would do it that way..... if I was bright enough. Instead I just want it to work and make me money so I buy what Avid tells me will work.


  • Sat, Dec 3 2005 12:56 AM In reply to

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    Re: Green vertical lines in transition

    Nonsense. The complexity of the timeline has nothing to do with it. Processor variations have nothing to do with it either if you're coding to standard API's, and that's where they keep getting burned. If I ever released software like that I'd never work again.

    Software developers constantly come up with excuses for the limitations of their product, and that's lame. Developers don't dictate the requirements, the customers of the product do. If you believe otherwise, don't ever try to work for me.
  • Sat, Dec 3 2005 1:01 AM In reply to

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    Re: Green vertical lines in transition

    If you believe otherwise, don't ever try to work for me.


    Is that a threat or a promise?
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  • Sat, Dec 3 2005 1:59 AM In reply to

    Re: Green vertical lines in transition

    "Developers don't dictate the requirements, the customers of the product do." If you are talking of domestic consumer products you are partially right. Customers may determine the lifespan of a product. For dedicated professional applications it is a long accepted practice to state what computer it is compatible with. (Adobe had an Intel Pentium only suggestion for its PC Photoshop and Illustrator line for years)

    "don't ever try to work for me." Thanks for the warning but I will always turn down job offers from anyone who buys a tool without reading the instructions and hopes. FWIW on today’s postings you are not very high on my recruitment list either.

    Putting the matches away now.


  • Sat, Dec 3 2005 2:05 AM In reply to

    • Jeff
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    Re: Green vertical lines in transition

    I bought Avid Xpress in late 2001. They've baited me with upgrades year after year and hardware has evolved well beyond what they support.

    If you want to argue a point, try responding to what I write. The "approved" hardware argument is an old and tired Avid fanboy argument that ignores the reality of the marketplace.
  • Sat, Dec 3 2005 3:15 AM In reply to

    Re: Green vertical lines in transition

    "The "approved" hardware argument is an old and tired Avid fanboy argument that ignores the reality of the marketplace." and the argument "I want to buy any CPU I think is best for me but demand any software I want will work on it" is childish and lead to your problem.

    Still keep the attitude, enjoy it.


    Assuming your definition of “tired Avid fanboy “ means that I will just keep on making money with fully functional working "approved" systems I am happy.

  • Sat, Dec 3 2005 3:52 AM In reply to

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    Re: Green vertical lines in transition

    OK, I'm childish. Nice comeback. Pot, meet the Kettle. Kettle, Pot.

    There isn't a single application I have or that I've developed that in the modern Windows XP era that doesn't work on any x86 computer, regardless of processor.

    I'm glad you're making money, but this is a product being used by people where money is a secondary objective. I don't cut video for a living anymore because it's not an industry that has the earning potential software engineering does. So good for you for making money.

    Back in the day, you needed a lot of expensive equipment to cut video. Then you could do even more with computer-based system if you had the cash. The first one I had was a Media 100 system at a cost of about $20k. It was awesome. A couple of years later, Premier came out. It was terrible, but generally speaking it worked. Today you can hack something together from DV with Windows Movie Maker. And if you're a Mac user, wow, iMovie is awesome. That's the state of computer-based editing today. For those of us that like to cut vacation video, analysis of the kids I coach, Internet shorts, etc., we need a tool that works on cheap hardware.

    You talk about money... get ready for the reality of the fact that some kid in his basement can do something of the same quality that you can without spending $1,500 on software.
  • Sat, Dec 3 2005 4:23 AM In reply to

    Re: Green vertical lines in transition

    Ok as a pot I am quiet happy today get into a pissing competition.

    “Back in the day, you needed a lot of expensive equipment to cut video”
    Strangely I know that, my last linear suite cost $400K.

    “You talk about money... get ready for the reality of the fact that some kid in his basement can do something of the same quality that you can without spending $1,500 on software.’

    Ok been there done that to. Face it Xpress V1.0 @ $1600 + $2k for a CPU allowed users to do everything my $80K Avid did and more.

    The point is it is not the tools, whatever their cost or the hardware.  It is that they work every time you need them and how well you use them. That is, if you choose any software that you depend on then match the CPU to its requirements.
    For an example, taken beyond extreme so you cannot miss my point, the kids in the basement would not waste time finding a pirate copy of iMovie only to complain that it did not work on their favorite PC. They know to go looking for Windows movie maker or to get a Mac.  Aesop

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